The firestorm that was ignited at the Islamic Center of Davis has eased as Imam Sheikh Ammar Shahin delivered a public apology to the Jewish community for anti-Semitic remarks delivered during his July 21 sermon.
“To the Jewish community here in Davis and beyond, I say this: I am deeply sorry for the pain that I have caused,” the imam said during a 30-minute press conference on July 28 in Davis organized by Jewish and Muslim leaders. “The last thing I would do is intentionally hurt anyone, Muslim, Jewish, or otherwise. It is not in my heart, nor does my religion allow it.
“Indeed, commitment to defending religious rights in Jerusalem should not cause division or fan the flames of anti-Semitism.”
As reported yesterday in J., in his sermon during Friday prayers last week at the Islamic Center, Shahin delivered incendiary remarks including a call to “annihilate” Jews, and to cleanse the Temple Mount of “the filth of the Jews.” Jewish outrage at the sermon was nationwide, with groups including the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee denouncing the imam’s words.
The controversy extended to statements posted on the Islamic Center’s website and Facebook that accused MEMRI, which publicized portions of the sermon, of taking the Sheik’s remarks out of context. In response, MEMRI issued its own statement, saying, “The inciting messages in Imam Shahin’s prayer were absolutely in context; here is the sermon in full from the YouTube channel of the ICD. The viewer can use their own judgment.”
The ICD statement has since been removed from both platforms, and the ADL issued a statement July 28 accepting the imam’s apology, but cautioning that more work needs to be done to restore trust.
Carol Loew, president of the Jewish Federation of the Sacramento Region, who initially said she and other Jewish community leaders would not attend a press conference with Shahin unless given an opportunity to review his apology in advance, said she was moved by his expression of contrition.
“I greatly appreciate the grace of the apology and hope it continues in our community,” she said. “We are a strong interfaith community and this has been a growing experience.”
Willie Recht, executive director of Sacramento’s Jewish Federation added, “It’s easy to just stand behind fear. It takes courage to do what was done here. I hope everyone can understand how we hope to move forward in peace.”
The dual message of maintaining strong interfaith ties and a call to action was reiterated by several speakers, including Davis Mayor Robb Davis, Yolo County Supervisor Don Sayor, Rev. Elizabeth Banks from the Universalist Unitarian Church, Sameera Ali from the Council of Sacramento Valley Islamic Organizations, and ICD President Amr Zedan.
“Today we will hear an apology,” said the mayor, “but it’s not about today. It’s about a long journey in our city to make this day possible. It’s about telling the imam the truth about his words. The question will be, ‘Is this enough?’ Most surely, the answer should be, ‘No.’
“The hurts are deep. Words spoken were harmful and hurtful. One statement cannot be enough but it doesn’t have to be enough. It’s a beginning to walk forward to discuss how we as a Davis community will make harms right.”
Rabbi Seth Castleman, chair of the Sacramento-Area Board of Rabbis, spearheaded efforts this week toward regaining trust between the region’s Jewish and Muslim communities.
Referring to a four-hour meeting convened in Davis on July 27 between Jewish and Muslim leaders, Castleman said, “The least surprising part to me was how much we were on the same page and how easily the process flowed. I hope it becomes apparent in the weeks and months ahead.”
In his statement Friday, Shahin pledged to be part of longstanding interfaith efforts in the city, saying, “Today I commit to working harder and will join efforts for mutual understanding and building bridges. As a young religious leader, this has humbled me. I hope to grow and develop as a more worthy leader in the community and seek your support and counsel in navigating the better path toward understanding and healing.”
Castleman accepted Shahin’s apology but also implored him to follow his words with actions. Speaking directly to Shahin, he said, “The Muslim, Jewish, and Davis communities will be looking for that and demanding that.”
The rabbi also spoke of forgiveness, explaining, “All faiths have a strong tradition of what we in Judaism call teshuva (atonement). The work we have done the past few days has built on the foundation of work that has been done over these many years. It is a true testament to teshuva. It doesn’t complete the process, but it’s a beginning.”
the only people who have their religious rights taken away in jerusalem are jews, who are not allowed to pray on the temple mount. this iman is a liar, because this is not the first time he has said things like this. apology not accepted
and someone should tell this “rabbi” that non-jews dont have the mitzvah to do teshuva, therefore this man’s words mean nothing
This imam is a devout muzlim……..
and the problem is not the iman…it is with islam
As I am fond of saying: the problem is islam
It’s hilarious how the you guys have the memory of ants.
If the Muslims were the ever bloodthirsty mongrels you claim they are, would Jews even exist today? After all, it was Muslims who gave sanctuary to Jews when the Christians were slaughtering them in Europe.
Paul Weston: I am a Naziphobe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgDJZSAi-O4
I agree. The problem is not the people. People are all people. All are made the same.
It is their ideology which is the problem. Islam is Islam is Islam, and it is a cult of torture, blood, murder, terror, horror, lying, and it has been this way from its inception to the present. It is a horror movie.
Yes
Just as in the koran
spot on Walt!
It is not in my heart, nor does my religion allow it.
False
otherwise he’d be an apostate
Oh, my!
The head of Sacramento JCC was MOVED by imam’s contrition! If that is not orifice licking, then what is?
good ol’ kumbaya
The biggest problem we have in the West is lack of education about islam.
Second biggest?
islam
Those who forget history……
Khybar Oasis, 628 CE
Mohammad’s first ‘interfaith outreach’
Precisely.
Concerning this article, first I will present the quote from the imam:
‘ “To the Jewish community here in Davis and beyond, I say this: I am deeply sorry for the pain that I have caused,” the imam said during a 30-minute press conference on July 28 in Davis organized by Jewish and Muslim leaders. “The last thing I would do is intentionally hurt anyone, Muslim, Jewish, or otherwise. It is not in my heart, nor does my religion allow it.” ‘
I’m quite confused about this apology..
Is he apologizing because he was unaware that it was anti-semitic?
If it wasn’t in his heart and it is “prohibited” (as he claims) to say something anti-semitic, then how did something anti-semitic come out of his mouth? Most important of all, how did all of the anti-semitic instructions end up in the Koran, if anti-semitism is prohibited? And how did the Koran end up encouraging and even requiring taqiyya?
I’ll explain why I’m concerned (aside from the obvious): A few days ago I saw a youtube of an undercover video-recording of shariah females at a mosque in D.C., “entertaining” non-Muslim female guests there. So polite, so polite, very very polite to all the guests. Then the reunion ended, the guests left, and what began for the rest of them (all Shariah females) was a class. It was a study of the Koran which involved understanding that the Koran provided specific instructions that such people as the guests that had just left, should be murdered, but that “right now” was not yet the proper time to do such a thing. Some (the Shariah female students?) asked questions of the Sharia female speaker. One such student suggested a far more violent method of murder. The speaker said no, that it was enough to have murdered and humiliated. It went on like that. It’s still online.
The difference between the politeness shown the guests, and then the private discussion of the Koran as to those guests deserving to be murdered, shocked me. (Despite what I am already familiar with concerning the Koran).
Taqiyya does allow for lying to those who aren’t Muslim.
So, this imam’s words confuse me and concern me.
Sorry to be so lengthy.
Is he apologizing because he was unaware that it was anti-semitic?
nope, cause he got caught expressing the essence of islam
The imam is a devout muzlim
So we’re back to square one. It’s not the people which are the problem. It’s this demonic cult, Islam, which is the problem, and it must be excised like a cancer.
It’s a bit of both Sarita,the lying deceitful ideology that is Islam and the hundreds of millions Muslim peasants who accept it knowingly and willingly .
When Jews betrayed their friends like they always do? Khyber also included 80 Jewish tribes who lived in peace afterwards…honour your oaths. Serve in the US military and stop running away to Israel after stealing Ameircans money
A primer on the nature of Islam for kids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsN5lvu1SZk
are you attempting to claim that american jews arent americans?
typical jew hating muslim…claiming jews are “less than”
the jews of khyber did nothing, except to be jews
and tell us how you believe that the torah was corrupted, just like this iman did
There were Jews who did not betray their pact who continued living in Medina. It was a couple of Jewish tribes who betrayed their pacts. If the goal was to slaughter all Jews, why did the Muslims not do so since many Jews and Jewish tribes continued living there and were not killed (since they didn’t break their treaty)?
You also seem to fail at reading comprehension. He said that Jews who run away to Israel are traitors to America. Can’t say I can disagree with that since if an American Muslim ran away to fight for another country, I’d consider him to be a traitor as well.
Egyptian author Sayyid Al-Qemany says: “Islam today is a threat to the world”
Al-Qemany laughs at European leaders who lecture us that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam. He compares Muslims to scorpions that sting. Some scorpions have already killed while others have not had the chance to kill. Killing is a duty of jihad and only jihad will bring you close to Allah.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2017/07/06/egyptian-author-sayyid-al-qemany-says-islam-today-is-a-threat-to-the-world/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzy94uWyMfk
Mind actually responding to what I said instead of going off on a tangent?
I can find a ton of self-hating Jews claiming this that and the other about Jews as well and antisemites do that regularly.
Yes, islam is the problem
Khybar Oasis where 70 Jewish tribes went untouched by two Jewish tribes who betrayed Muslims were excuted. That’s called justice. See what happens to traitors and defectors in uS history…
the reason the temple mount was shut for a few days was because of a terror attack that killed two israeli druze policemen. the iman still hasnt noted this
he still insists that the purpose of his sermon was to “defend religious rights in jerusalem”. yet not a single muslim’s rights were removed. the only change that was made was to add metal detectors to the entrance of the temple mount. these have been removed.
this was not an apology, this was an excuse. and shame on the davis community for allowing him to get away with this.
and so i hope the federal government will take up this case and work to remove this radical from our lands
big mistake Imam. when you apologize the zio crazy-extremists just become more vicious. Truth: the scum who closed down the mosque knew when they did it they were asking for death.
Always Live Israel!!
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interesting how many pro Israel/pro Jew comments J has deleted, but not the one above.
big mistake Imam
Getting caught, eh?
So you support the attack by Muslim worshipers who smuggled weapons into your holy mosque and killed fellow Arabs with those weapons? Those “scum” who closed down your weapons-storage facility did so to protect ALL human life.
So Imam Sheikh Ammar Shahin can submit a public apology to the Muslim community for being a part of the institution that holds them hostage to lies and hate, starting with, but not ending with, that he isn’t “defending religious rights in Jerusalem” by any means. He is defending a condition that allows his coreligionists exclusive access to prayer and the eclusion of Jewish prayer and to bring in weapons that harm even their own worshipers.
But aren’t those folks at MEMRI just awful…….
Bet he is wishing for his own type of security measures to prohibit these little uncomfortable and embarrassing moments from being caught on film (well, embarrassing for someone who is actually ashamed for calling for the annihilation of a people who not only have never brought him harm but who have suffered much from the very inception of his so called faith.
Would his words be best described as taqiyya, or would they be that other Islamic term? I can’t recall it.
takiya works:
the koranic admonition to lie in order to further islam,
as recommended by mohmmad
Thank you. I wasn’t sure if that was the correct term. I know that Islam has several terms for lying in varying circumstances, which the Koran requires.
You know, I never in my wildest dreams imagined when I was a little girl, that I would grow up to find out about a religion which encouraged lying. I don’t think any other religion endorses lying. Does anyone know of a religion other than Islam which endorses lying?
here they are:
Taqiyya – Lying to hide the Muslim identity
Kitman – Lying by omission
Tawriya – Intentionally creating a false impression
Muruna – ‘Blending in’-in order to advance deception
Hijrah jihad – takeover by mass immigration
Thank you. I hadn’t committed them to memory, but I knew the Koran/Islam had many terms for endorsed lying. So if this is the case, then the imam is, as you say, a very very devout Muslim. He is following the Koran to the letter by lying to non-Muslims via his apology.
heh!
http://disq.us/p/1kyidu8
Not a single one of these terms exists in the Qur’an. Try again.
Mordechai Kedar in al-Jazeera about Jerusalem & Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk
Mordechai Kedar has been on a number of Arabic TV stations speaking
perfect Arab to Muslims who don’t know he’s Jewish,only Muslim clowns
could get it so wrong .
aywa!!
Nothing like a Jewish Professor telling the Arab Muslims in Arabic that they’re
talking rubbish and on Al-Jazeera too,inshallah .
I’m not going to watch videos no matter how many you spam since you’ve yet to respond to anything (shows how little you know), but again, give me a single verse from the Qur’an that mentions any of those terms you mentioned. You won’t be able to since they don’t exist. You’re an obvious liar.
http://disq.us/p/1kysryt
a religion which encourages lying,
no worries, islam is not a religion
This is false, Islam does NOT encourage Lying. It’s actually a pretty major sin and repeatedly condemned in the Quran.
Taqiyya is a boogeyman myth; under rare circumstances in which your life is threatened then you are allowed to lie about what religion you follow. This is not different than Judaism, which also has Talmudic discussion on whether you can lie about what religion you follow if your life is in danger.
Twisting it into a claim that Muslims can lie about their religion is completely false, and hardly different than the anti-Semitic claims out there that Jews are allowed lie about their plots to take over the world.
Lying and deception, are prohibited against other moslems, but it is perfectly OK to do it to non-moslems if the goal is to advance Islam.
And even if taqiyya is only a “life saver” then what does this say of islam? That it isn’t worth dying for, or is it more important to spread islam on Earth than it is to be on the good side of one’s god in the afterlife?
False. Read the Quran, G-d commands you not to lie, He doesn’t claim to Muslims only. You’re pushing a myth no different than the anti-Semitic claim that Jews are allowed to lie to non-Jews.
You just said that islam allows for situation where moslems can lie: “Taqiyya is a boogeyman myth; under rare circumstances in which your life is threatened then you are allowed to lie about what religion you follow. ”
[citation needed]
“Muslims contributed nothing to the West except slaughter, massacres, terror attacks”
Egyptian TV Host Youssef Al-Husseini Following London Mosque Attack: The Muslims Have Contributed Nothing but Terror, So Why Do You Expect Them to Love You?
Following the vehicular attack outside a London mosque on June 19, Egyptian TV host Youssef Al-Husseini said: “Why do they hate us?! If they didn’t, there would be something mentally wrong with them.” Claiming that the Muslims have contributed nothing to the West except slaughter, massacres, and terror attacks, Al-Husseini said: “And you still expect them to love us?!” His address aired on ON TV on the day of the attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gMQWdbcEmU
Look at the “crypto-Jews” who lied about their religion so that Christians wouldn’t slaughter them.
And in Islam, just like any sane ideology, you are permitted to do whatever to survive, such as eating pork when there’s no food available when one’s dying of starvation or drinking alcohol when there’s no water available and one’s dying of thirst. Similarly, if someone puts a gun to your head and says he’ll kill you if you’re a Muslim, you’re allowed to lie in that scenario. Otherwise, lying about your religion is impermissible.
So where are the verses in Scripture that back that up?
Where are the verses in Islamic scripture that back up your claim that Muslims are permitted to lie?
Look up the Jewish idea of “pikuach nefesh” (פיקוח נפש). Or just have a read:
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/hf_LyingPermissible.html
islam is a sane ideology?
Oy, Vey
oooops
God is not allah,eh achmad?
You don’t know anything about Judaism or Zionism so rather go and post
on Nfarly Jarju or Bishadi (Rami Ayyad’s ) Muslim propaganda Channels
yallah,yallah .
Here we are on J Weekly, my local Jewish paper……
They invade everything. Like a malignancy. 🙁
Fortunately, we are in the Age ofPeak islam
From the Zenith to the Nadir ,it’s time for Islam to be vanquished
permanently ,inshallah .
Say, sn’t islam the cult with a pervert for a role model?
Mohammed the Islamic Prophet,oy gevalt .
Yes, which is why we’re seeing horror after horror. 🙁
This just in from Oz:
‘Frankly, I Don’t Want Him In Our Country’: Senator Cory Bernardi Calls To Deport Halal Boss Who Claimed Australians Needed Muslim Men To ‘Fertilise Its Women’
Mohamed Elmouelhy Muslim Racist
Australian Conservatives Senator Cory Bernardi has slammed halal boss Mohamed Elmouelhy, saying he does not want him in the country.
Senator Bernardi’s comments come in response to remarks Mr Elmouelhy made on social media predicting the ‘white race [would] be extinct’ within 40 years.
The senator says Mr Elmouelhy’s comments show why reform is needed to Australia’s immigration system.
‘Frankly, I don’t want him, his halal racket or his extremist poison in our country,’ Senator Bernardi said.
https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2017/07/31/frankly-i-dont-want-him-in-our-country-senator-cory-bernardi-calls-to-deport-halal-boss-who-claimed-australians-needed-muslim-men-to-fertilise-its-women/
They should all return to their Koranic homelands, which aren’t even really their homelands, since all Islamic countries they took over in the Middle East belonged to the pagans and later the pagans and Christians, except for Israel and a couple of other exceptions. Even Pakistan was Indian. Even Mecca is not theirs. Mohammed stole that rock from the pagans, declared it his, and murdered the pagans. Everything they do, everything they have, everything they touch becomes a horror story. Muslims are a horror movie. They’re not fit to live on this planet. Maybe a horror planet out there somewhere.
well said!!
apparently too well said for J Weekly, the liberal organ
Moslem MARS sounds just right,far away from Judeo-Christian 21 st Century
civilisation .
yup
the problem is islam
they’ve been taking comments down
So many DELETED comments here,i wonder why ?
Quite a few of mine ,it appears .
allah is not God
What you’re saying is in itself a lie to defend Islam.
Islam is not a religion. Islam is an ideology of torture, piracy, brainwashing, and murder which employs lying and threats. Muslims are indoctrinated from birth with this trash, and therefore do not understand what it is like to live a decent life, a kind life, nor do they understand love.
Ultimately, their modus operandi (to infiltrate, engage in piracy, torture, brainwashing, and murder) will result in vigilante justice and an all-out war against the Muslims. I doubt it will be avoided, as Muslims do not understand negotiations, and do not understand normal words, nor do they understand a good life. They only understand what they have learned from the pedophile who wrote the Koran: to infiltrate, to engage in piracy and theft, to brainwash, to threaten, to torture and to murder. Perhaps it’s inevitable.
Wrong. You’re not helping with your blind hatred of an entire group. Go visit a Nazi website, they say the SAME about Judaism. You’re in bad company.
I don’t believe it’s wise to defend psychotic murderers and liars who are trying to do me harm. In fact, I’ve never believed it’s wise, and I will not be likely to believe that in the future.
So you believe all Muslims are your enemy and that we all lie. Got it. You’re no different than the anti-semites you claim to hate. Guess there’s no getting through to you.
Oh, I believe all humans are born innocent. It’s what happens to them after that, that makes them evil. The Koran is an evil instrument. The ideology of the Koran is evil. The FRUIT of Islam, which makes people incapable of behaving human, is a testament of the evil it is capable of. And anyone involved in Islam is a liar, yes, as that is what they are taught from infancy on.
Did you get here from Stormfront? That’s the same rhetoric neonazis use against Jews. The Quran is extremely similar to Torah and you speak like you’ve never read either.
Stormfront is in the category of Islam. Sick ideologies, invented by psychotic individuals, focused on torture, murder, destruction, lies, and sadism. CEASE insulting the Torah. The Torah is not an instrument of sadism and destruction, unlike the Koran. Islam has spent its entire existence committing crime after crime after crime. NEVER has Islam not committed piracy, theft, torture, murder. It’s all endorsed by the pedophile’s Koran, and all carried out by Muslims. The proof is in the acts of Muslims from the inception of the sadistic ideology, to the present. Now please cease bothering me with your lies and BS. I’m sure you have some disgusting thing to plan with others like yourself.
hey achmad the ummah appreciates your efforts,eh?
The Quran is a 1000 Arabian Nights of pure Islamic fantasy,nothing
else .
islam is the problem
The Quran is extremely similar to Torah
ha, Ha, ha
aND ha
the problem is islam
All ” Fakestinian” Muslims are our enemy ,you don’t want to hear
the TRUTH but i’m telling you anyway .
the problem is islam
the problem is islam, not all muzlims
islam is based on Jew and Christian Hatred.
Blame mohammad.
why does islam have a thug role model?
This is The Jewish News of Northern California ,so what is a Muslim TROLL
doing here ?
I’m not the troll here, you’re the one replying to everyone with hate speech and bashing an entire religion.
I’m glad this imam apologized, it was ugly what he said and he didn’t speak for me nor other Muslims. I stand with Jews against anti Semitism.
speaking of hate speech,there is the koran, eh achmad?
Spare us Islamic Taqiyyah and move on already Muslim TROLL .
they get assigned by the ummah
the koran is book of hate speech:
61% is about the flthy kuffar
Spoken like someone who has never read a Quran. That’s factually incorrect and the Quran says Jews are children of Abraham, distinct from kuffar, and that their freedom of religion should be protected as well as their synagogues.
the problem is islam, based on Jew and Christian Hatred
you’re part of the problem by perpetuating the hate.
blame mohammad
islam is not a religion
What religion kills you for leaving?
the imam apologized for revealing more of islam’s secrets
Fortunately, we are now in the Age of Peak islAM.
blind hatred of an entire group.
islam is based on Jew and Christian Hatred.
Blame mohammad.
blind hatred of an entire group.
You’re wrong;
mohammad instilled hate for lots and lots of goups
Historically false. He worked with the Jews and Christians of Medina and guaranteed their rights in the Charter of Medina. He made peace with the polytheists in the Treaty of Hudaybiah. If you read Hadith, he supported Jews and showed respect at a Jewish funeral, and told his followers to treat them equally to Muslims in courts.
TELL us about the apartheid city of Mecca, eh?
the problem is islam
What is the word for this??
Mr. Abbas also pledged to Mr. Trump publicly “that we are raising our youth, our children, our grandchildren on a culture of peace.”
Just as Netanyahu doesn’t and shouldn’t represent all Jews and Judaism, Abbas does not represent all Arabs or Islam.
Correct.
But he does represent the Palestinian people and pays those who slaughter Jews – and he repeatedly lies with great zest and ease.
Your talking points are way out of date. He doesnt “pay those who slaughter Jews.” Go ahead and show me proof, I’ll wait. Unlike Netanyahu, who pays illegal settlers and compensates those who harass and kill Palestinian neighbors.
http://jcpa.org/paying-salaries-terrorists-contradicts-palestinian-vows-peaceful-intentions/
…and with this I am finished with you.
That’s your evidence? The PA pays out welfare to widows and families where the breadwinner is imprisoned. It’s not “paying those who slaughter Jews” because they’re not paying the terrorists. This is an old claim and a false talking point. Even if we did accept this false premise, then the Israeli government is guilty of the same and even worse since they directly pay the extremist settlers committing the violence while the PA doesn’t.
islam is the problem
islam’s ‘most perfet human’ does represent islam, eh?
the word is takiya
islam is the problem
Islam does NOT encourage Lying.
takiya
takiya literally means pillow
But it’s funny how you hate Muslims…Cuban crime wave anyone? You hate minorities and Liberalism, yet if I remember correctly it was the Dems who let you Cubanitos out of the camps?
You hate blacks, yet you mark affirmative action
What do you stand for?
How perfect is this? You’re doing taqiyyah right now.
“This article by Dr. Walid, a top scholar at the Islamic University, exposes our so-called secular Indian Muslims. By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc.
In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy …
According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar’iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy’s cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.
They were “legitimate” mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy’s resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy’s camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam (“Oh, I am not religious.” “Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation.” “Oh, it is in the interpretation.” “Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.”) In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) “un Islamic” Muslims continued their attacks on the target’s property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden’s declaration of war against innocent American civilians).”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/548123/posts
copy and paste copy and paste
You have any ideas of your own Cubana imbecile? I’m really curious why do Cubans get affirmative action? They never faced slavery or segregation. They get it cause they are stupid lol. Only reason
I am going to click “Recommend” on this article. It’s an excellent article for discussion, and a superb example of taqiyya being carried out on non-Muslims.
Please click “Recommend” on this excellent article which illustrates so much about the Koran for us. Thank you. I’m logging off. Shabbat Shalom.
shabat shalom!
Yes, more education about islam is what the West needs.
So Jews are allowed to fund bombing campaigns in the ME, identify Israel as a Jewish state, but you can’t refer to them as Jews? So much for free speech in the land of the ‘free’ HHAHAHAHA
Two million Muslim peasants make their way to the Suni Muslim Haj in Mecca/Mecca
Saudi Arabia and also have to pass through Metal Detectors for their own safety,yet
Muslim peasants on Har HaBayit in Yerushalayim, which is only the THIRD holiest
Islamic site and where these lunatic peasants pray towards Mecca and Medina,with
their backsides in the air a very disrespectful form, won’t pass through Israel supplied
Metal Detectors,again for their own safety,the rational mind boggles at such hypocrisy
from 7th Century and Demonic Islam.
No, Muslim pilgrims don’t pass through metal detectors.
If the Muslims were ever as bloodthirsty as your fantasy, Jews would not exist today. Guess whose countries Jews lived in and prospered in while Christians were slaughtering every non-Christian they could get their hands on in Europe?
Muslins are more than just bloodthirsty and Jews living in Muslim countries
during Islam’s Golden Age were essentially ” Dhimnis” forced to pay TAXES
to Islam under the ever present danger of DEATH ,try not to digress from
the article which is about Islamic Taqiyyah,which you seem very adept at.
Oh no! The people living in a country have to pay taxes to the government that provides them with protection and social services! What barbarism!
Try not paying taxes in the US and see how far you get. Also, dhimmi literally means “responsibility” – i.e. the dhimmis were the responsibility of the state. They lost their dhimmi status if they joined the Muslim army (and thus didn’t have to pay taxes), something every Muslim de facto a part of. Women, children, the elderly, and the sick also were exempt from this tax. The dhimma tax applied only to able bodied adult men. Go read what Muslims actually have to say about the status of a dhimmi otherwise you have no right to protest when some antisemite learns about Jews from the KKK or other Nazi groups that have an agenda just how you have an agenda or learned from those who also have an agenda.
It’s also hilarious that you’re accusing me of taqiyyah (something practiced by the Shi’a minority and usually in times of distress) when you have yet to tell me where I have lied in my response, whereas the person i was responding to obviously lied. Is there a Jewish term for lying? Was that guy performing Jewish taqiyya?
the problem is islam
14 centuries of islam cannot be wrong
Can you explain how you came to such a conclusion when it is obvious the Jews of Europe were not wiped out by the Europeans?
Read some history. Jews would have been wiped out in Europe had Muslims not let them live among Muslims. It was only after the enlightenment that being Jewish was not a crime in Europe. Muslim sultans such as Bayezid II even sent ships to rescue Jews in Europe during the Inquisition and let them settle freely in Muslim lands.
Speaking of islam and Europe:
Islam and the Dark Age of Byzantium
by John J. O’Neill
In his 1936 book, Mohammed et Charlemagne, Belgian historian Henri Pirenne argued in great detail that the Dark Ages of Europe began rather suddenly in the middle of the seventh century; and that this sudden and catastrophic decline in civilization was due to Islam’s blockade of the Mediterranean. Up to that time, Pirenne showed, there was no evidence of a decline in Classical culture. True, the Western Roman Empire as a political entity had disappeared in 476, but the literate, prosperous and urban civilization which we call “Classical” continued virtually uninterrupted. The Goths and other “Barbarian” peoples who ruled the provinces of the West after 467 did not try to destroy Roman civilization and civil society. Indeed, as Pirenne showed in great detail, they did everything in their power to preserve it. They adopted the Latin language, accepted Imperial titles from the Emperor in Constantinople, and minted gold coins with the image of the Eastern Emperor emblazoned upon them.
Yet this thriving Late Classical culture came to a rather sudden end in the seventh century: city life declined, as did trade; a barter economy replaced the earlier monetary system, and what coins were issued were minted in silver rather than gold; literacy declined as papyrus from Egypt disappeared and expensive parchment took its place; and the power of kings waned, as local strongmen or “barons” seized the reins of power in the provinces. The Middle Ages had begun.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam-and-dark-age-of-byzantium.html
Ah, yes. Resorting to conspiracy theories by orientalists. Do you really want to quote someone from the 30s and his conspiracies against a non-Christian group?
And yet again, not a single response to what I was asking. This is the classical approach by morons, particularly right winged, who would rather indulge in gish gallop than any meaningful discussion.
Fact: Muslims helped the Jews time and time again, particularly during the Inquisition and also during before the break up of the Ottoman Empire when the Muslims allowed immigration of Jews from Europe into Palestine. Jews preferred living with Muslims for centuries. If Muslims were like Christians, Jews would have been killed a long time ago, with no place of refuge. If Muslims were like the Jews of the Torah, the same would have happened.
why does islam have a thug role model?
Why not read the Torah and Talmud and see what would happen if a more numerous civilization had been granted that law and was trying to bring that law to the world? What’s in the Torah and the Talmud is a billion times more barbarous than what is in the Quran. Gems such as a woman is considered an adulteress if she is raped but did not scream loud enough or to just pay a few coins to the raped woman’s father. Or how about all the commandments about stoning to death? Even the Quran doesn’t have any commandment about stoning in it (go ahead, find a verse there). Or the commandments about killing men, women, and children given to the Children of Israel. Apply that to a broader context if Jews today were as numerous as Muslims are.
you:
Apply that to a broader context if Jews today were as numerous as Muslims ,
if Jews practiced what you describe.
We do not.
Ergo, tired out false comparison
the problem is islam
Uh you’re insane if you think that a truly Jewish state based on the Torah and Talmud would be anything different if not worse than what ISIL has planned – and ISIL only has 100,000 fighters in total (out of almost 1.6 billion Muslims). It’s easy to see what a truly Jewish state would be like if you read what the Jews did according to their laws, such as stoning people for working on the sabbath or stoning women for being raped.
, Muslim pilgrims don’t pass through metal detectors.
Mecca is an apartheid city: no Jews et al
we arent your dhimmi
“Muslims contributed nothing to the West except slaughter, massacres, terror attacks”
Egyptian TV Host Youssef Al-Husseini Following London Mosque Attack: The Muslims Have Contributed Nothing but Terror, So Why Do You Expect Them to Love You?
Following the vehicular attack outside a London mosque on June 19, Egyptian TV host Youssef Al-Husseini said: “Why do they hate us?! If they didn’t, there would be something mentally wrong with them.” Claiming that the Muslims have contributed nothing to the West except slaughter, massacres, and terror attacks, Al-Husseini said: “And you still expect them to love us?!” His address aired on ON TV on the day of the attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gMQWdbcEmU
Always Muslims on the rampage,trying to kill infidels,when will it stop already!
when we neutralize islam
Aywa.
A good thing J is taking down all these pro Israel comments, eh?
Not a good thing at all Haver,but why ?
indeed!
And 25 Jews were responsible for the Iraq war….
Shame on a religious who preaches death on others. I am sure CNN, CBC , the leftists will have an excuse to defend his actions….lol!!
What did he say in Arabic after that.
‘strike them at the neck’
An islamic nutshell:
mohammed designed islam as a
replacement and superior religion
and the koran as ‘perfect and unchangeable’.
He did this because allah told him that
Christianity was corrupt and Judaism extinct.
Ergo, the very existence of living breathing
Jews and Christians (forget even about Israel….)
calls into question the ‘perfect and unchangeable’ koran
and it’s main spokesperson, mohammad.
In the koran, this is blasphemy, the penalty is death.
Hence, continual warfare against Jews and Christians and more
is required of all muzlims.
I’m sorry I can not accept the apology. You can not go of on a rant calling for the anialation of people and then apologize. That’s not how this works. A serial killer can not apologize for killing people and then say oh I’m sorry this wasn’t meant I don’t have it in my heart. Accepting this man’s apology is enabling this kind of behavior in the future. People make mistakes, sure, but consequences happen when mistakes are made.
It was very disappointing to hear that the Jewish Federation and other Jewish leaders so quickly accepted these words as truth. This man explicitly called for the genocide of Jews, called us filthy, etc. (ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASSION), and you want to pretend he didn’t actually know the power of such words and that saying such things can cause violence and harm?? And to top it off, the other leaders at the center tried to excuse what he said! If the Jewish Federation wants to pretend this is ok, I will re-route my monetary contributions to an organization actually looking out for Jews.
Please, do! The Jewish Federation “leasers” could not wait to accept his apology.
an organization actually looking out for Jews.
ZOA
So, Hitler apologizes and it’s all honky dory again? Screw this.
I do not accept apologies of this bigot, and do not believe in his apologies! He gave angry hateful Nazi style speech, calling for annihilation of Jews, and now our great Jewish leaders accept his apologies?? Here what US Cong. Brad Sherman (D-CA) for releasing the following powerful statement, “I call upon the Islamic Center of Davis to terminate the employment of Mr. Amar Shahin, to declare he is ineligible for future employment, and to permanently bar him from attendance at the Mosque or at any of its facilities. I further call upon every organization to permanently bar Mr. Shahin from all of their activities and dissociate itself from the Islamic Center of Davis until it permanently dissociates itself from Mr. Shahin. In particular, I have contacted the following organizations and urged them to inform me when Mr. Shahin would be barred from participation in their activities and whether the Islamic Center of Davis would be likewise barred until it completely severs its relationship with Mr. Shahin. The organizations contacted are: Univ. California, Davis, CAIR, MPAC, ISNA, AMC, and all interfaith organizations in the greater Sacramento area.”
Read more: http://zoa.org/2017/07/10370794-zoa-horrified-by-us-imams-hitler-like-demand-to-murder-jews/#ixzz4oSUbwu1O
Not one Pro-Israel Evangelical in the room??
Just two weeks ago, over 5,000 members from the 3.6 million Christians United For Israel met in Washington DC at our 12th Annual Summit to petition our nation’s leaders to continue to support the most threatened democracy in the world, the Jewish nation of Israel. With 470 pro-set appointments we lobbied our legislatures with representatives from every state in the nation to pass into law the Taylor Force Act. The US contributes close to $3-million dollars a year to the Palestinian Authority, which uses the monies to pay terrorists who carry out attacks on, “the filthy Jews.” (Imam Ammar) Close to 30 new co-sponsors were added to the bill upon the conclusion of our efforts.
YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO JOIN WITH FRIENDS AT SACRAMENTO’S NIGHT TO HONOR ISRAEL – at Capitol Christian Center where former Muslim, Kasim Hafeez will tell his compelling story of being a hater of the Jewish people to becoming a Zionist!
FREE ADMISSION!
COME EARLY FOR BEST SEATING!
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excelent!
I have been to one of these in SActo and will try to attend!
Bring your friends – and all lovers of the Jewish people and Jewish nation of Israel!
I frequently promote and post about cufi.
Our Israel advocacy group in Davis (home of the truth speaking imam)
has had several excellent Cufi speakers
including dumisani washington
Final thought: Tshuva does not mean atonement in Judaism. (Ask any Rabbi)
Tshuva means: Repentance.
Gd is the judge – and I will reserve my thoughts on the sincerity of the Imam’s repentance. Based upon the vapid words being called an apology following his one hour speech calling upon his god and the practitioners of his faith to “annihilate the filthy Jews, one by one . . . ” it’s going to take much, much more for me to become a believer.
The Christian community is watching you and your mosque Imam Ammar – this is not going to happen anywhere near our city.
Tonight is the 9th of Av – and for the first time our Jewish friends are no longer alone.
J:
Thanks so much for deleting pro Israel and pro Jew comments.
There were just too, too many……
Always LIve Israe!!
Always Live Israel!!
Shenoda pimp
Who’s DELETING posts here and why as a few of mine have disappeared ?
As per left-wing Jewish protocol, the J chose to run a story embracing the Davis Iman’s “apology” hook, line and sinker. In true New York Times form of opinion masquerading as journalism, the J fails to report that the Imam did not even retract his hateful and violent call on Allah and Muslims to annihilate the Jews. At the end of the story, a Reform rabbi talks about the principle of teshuva in Judaism, which he erroneously defines as “atonement.” Would it were were that he understood the term correctly as returning to G-d, and not to one’s own self-glorified and jaundiced personal politics.
I’m not sure why the discussion has exploded into a critique of the Muslim faith writ large. We’re talking about the words and actions of one individual here, and to extrapolate it to over a billion Muslims is ridiculous. Let’s try and contain the discussion to the specifics around this one instance and not over-generalize…
And we should believe him?
only those ignorant about, or useful idiots for, islam will believe him.
And anybody believes him, because. . . ? If he is trying to spin this, the tablecloth will unwind off of his head. This nothing more a blatant attempt at CYA. Nice try, but the word on taqiyyah has been out for too long for him to have even a whiff of credibility.
One must be careful not to state one’own interpretation of someone else ideas. It is a main ingredient to discord and conflict. It has been the practice of antiSemitism to twist Jewish belief and misconstrued and add things totally false in order to instigate hate. We can’t follow suit on such indecent path. There are plenty of non sensical and in fact indecent allegations about what is Islam and its ideals. For sure there are fanatical politically inspired extremist who try to turn a political issue into a religious war, which is regrettably answered with more non sense. Before affirming ideas one must search the verifiable facts. The Iman’s rush to speak before he thought his words is a common occurrence but it doesn’t represent Islam but extremist views. If we search the Koran we find that Mohammed wanted the Jews to comply with all the Mitzvot and be more religious observant, funny? Maybe but it is written. Now about lying, most religions have some license to the “truth”. One may find cases like M Luther who at first try its best to defend Judaism with the ulterior motive of converting Jews to his religion. Plenty of Popes lied with different motives against Jews and Muslims so the non sense and indecent behavior is not based on faith but personal lack of ethics.
Taqiyya and kitman.